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Wes Montgomery Interviews
The
Thumbs Up By Bill
Quinn Down Beat
June 27th 1968. "Success is a big thing to
me," conceded Wes Montgomery, "but not a great big thing.
"Everything relates to life," the guitarist continued, reaching for one
of the bisquits that have made Gladys', a southside Turning around suddenly, Wes held
up his plate before the cute little waitress who, without recognizing the guitarist's
face, was thoroughly grabbed by his personality. "Sweetheart, do you have a little
gravy for this rice?" "Just for you," she beamed, moving toward the kitchen
with his plate. Observing his way with people, I
remarked that he seemed to be a past master at the somewhat obscure art of making fast
friends all around, his celebrated identity remaining unknown all the while. "I don't know any
strangers," he said. "When you attempt to get above other people, you have to
make believe; when you make believe, you have to prove it." For Montgomery, one of the
brightest lights lit by the currents of the jazz idiom in recent years, the list of
accomplishments is as long as the neck of his guitar. This, however, seems to rest as
easily with the guitarist as the plate of food the smiling waitress was placing in front
of him again with plenty of gravy now added. In addition to having been voted
Down Beat's New Star Guitarist of 1960, he has won the Established Talent category on his
instrument for five of the last seven years, and has been voted the Playboy poll's all-star
guitarist for six successive years. He has, in fact, won so much recognition in print that
he possesses three dresser-drawers full of press clippings lauding his way with the
fretted axe. One of the clippings must be regarded as unique, not only for a jazz-oriented
instrumentalist, but for almost any musician in this country: when he was the feature
attraction at a midwestern jazz festival not long ago, he received front-page coverage
complete with picture in the For this man from Indianapolis
who didn't pick up a guitar until his 19th year, who didn't seriously concentrate on
becoming a full-time professional musician until a decade after that much of his success
stems from traceable sources, such as the fact that he came along at what he calls
"the right time" for his sound. On the other hand, he finds the extent of his
recognition among the "Now" generation something of a phenomenon. "The kids, you know, they
don't seem to go overboard for anything that bears the jazz label these days. `Jazz' the
young layman usually says, `I don't want to hear that stuff.' It's unfortunate for many
musicians to be called jazzmen in this day and age, because the minute some people are
identified with that strange term, the kids the biggest market, are scared away before
they hear whatever it is the musician is saying . . . and they may have loved it. No label
should turn listeners off like that. "I want to tell people -
this is those who write about it as well as the public - not to worry about what it's
called; worry about whether it pleases people. That's what it's all about anyway," he
added. "People are the final judges." To his latest
and greatest successes Wes feels that the addition of full bands and orchestras behind his
solo lines have contributed much. "My a&r men
and arrangers usually work with me on the recordings. I accept their suggestions in
numerous cases, sometimes even when I'm doubtful myself. So far, though, things have
worked out better than I thought." Of this thesis, some have been
more than a little critical. Of Wes' California Dreaming album, a Down Beat record
reviewer said: "Now that The reviewer shares the
sentiments of a number of purists (or die-hards, if you wish) who feel that the addition
of strings and the relatively uncomplicated, melodically dominated improvisation
characteristic of many of the more widely accepted jazz musicians are blatant heresy. "In the first place,"
said Wes, seemingly not the least bit fazed by that brand of criticism, "people are
not listening as well as they think they are in all cases. I have changed my way of
playing, just as many others have, to fit with the times. Lee Morgan, Horace Silver, and
many others could have had the same doors opened for them that have opened for people like
Jimmy Smith and Ramsey Lewis - it seems to me that they just decided against it. "Those who criticize me for
playing jazz too simply and such are missing the point. When I first came up big on the
Billboard charts they couldn't decide whether to call me a jazz artist or a pop artist. I
think I originated a new category, something like `Jazz-Pop' artist. There is a different
direction on my records these days; there is a jazz concept to what I'm doing, but I'm
playing popular music and it should be regarded as such." Wes, unlike some other musicians
on whom fame and fortune have fallen, candidly answers a "qualified yes" to the
question of whether or not his increasing popular successes have lessened the
"esthetic content" of his efforts recently. But in an admirable display of
common sense that defies criticism from all save those whose heads with visibility cut to
zero in a columnus nebulous of sheer naivete-are above it all, Wes added: "It doesn't
matter how much artistry one has; it's how it's presented that counts." (The remark
would be viable in this economic system if it came from a mediocre musician; coming from a
musician who has been hailed as "the man to give the most to the guitar since Charlie
Christian," the man who literally invented the "round sound" of playing a
line with the meat of the thumb, the only guitarist yet who can play melodies in octaves
with any speed and consistency, one has no recourse other than to allow that this virtuoso
has opted for reality). "I have seen what happened
to people like Tatum and Coltrane. Though Coltrane died before his thing had been
completely resolved, Tatum died at a time when he should have enjoyed all the benefits of
being the greatest piano player in existence but he didn't, you dig?" the guitarist
says. "I hear Buddy every night.
(Buddy Montgomery, Wes' brother, is the group's pianist.) He's got a complete style of his
own; he's fluent, clean, interesting, all of that. On the basis of his talent, I can't
understand how he hasn't been recognized . . but artistry is beside the point. "It's too bad," he
continued. "An artist has to believe in his own ability. He has to think he has
sufficient artistry, has to be confident of his talent before he'll risk performing in
public. Then, when he finally gets out there, he discovers that it doesn't matter what his
technical ability is. "The proof of what I'm
saying can be seen in the quality of the television shows that go off the air and the ones
that stay on. No matter how educational a show is, if the ratings are higher for something
silly and stupid, the program director will pull the other show off and leave the goofy
one just as long as the rating stays high". The likelihood of John Leslie
(Wes) The guitarist verified the story
that he stumbled onto his style more or less accidentally. "I started off practicing
with a plectrum. I did this for about 30 days. Then I decided to plug in my amplifier and
see what I was doing" he said. "The sound was too much even for my next door
neighbors, so I took to the back room in the house and began plucking the strings with the
fat part of my thumb. This was much quieter. To this technique I added the trick of
playing a melody line in two different registers at the same time, the octave thing; this
made the sound even quieter." After four years of fitting in
practice time after his other obligations had been met, Wes went on the road with Lionel
Hampton's big band. The guitarist recalls that Hamp paid him the ultimate compliment for
his particular instrument: "He allowed me to keep my amp on during the entire length
of the numbers we played, not just during my solos". This altered the sound of the
band slightly, something which no other guitarist up to that time had accomplished with
the hard-charging leader. Big bands off the stand are
nothing more than tightly knit groups of working guys who enjoy a laugh on one of their
number as well as anybody. Hamp's '48 outfit, peopled by such luminaries as Charlie
Mingus, Fats Navarro, and Mill Buckner, was a fun-loving group, to say the least. Because
of Wes' teetotaling nature, which he maintains to this day; the bandsmen quickly dubbed
him "Rev.,, "Rev" The years following his
barnstorming days with "Working three gigs all that
time was not the worst thing that could have happened to me," he said. "From all
that scuffling I learned a lot about discipline as an entertainer. I don't go overboard
now maybe because it was a long time coming." Wes' first LP was a World Pacific
release on which he sat in with his brothers, pianist Buddy and bassist Monk, both with
his current quintet, but then co-leaders of the Mastersounds, a group with a solid but
unspectacular reputation. Nothing much happened for Wes as a result of that date, and the
group dissolved in early 1960. In Wes' estimation, however, it
was the wax and a little help from some friends that ultimately made the difference.
"As far as I'm concerned, Cannonball (Adderley) opened the door for me," he
said. "He called Riverside Records once, when he was in He was satisfied." FROM THEN ON, it was mostly
coasting to the good things for the guitarist, especially when one considers what he had
previously been through. But though Wes has been among the headliners at festivals all
over the U.S. and in London, Madrid, Brussels, Lugano and San Remo, and has been the
leader on more than a score of top hit LPs, three of which are currently on the Billboard
best seller lists, he is the last one to see his good fortune as overwhelming in any sense
of that word. "When you start to make it
slightly, everyone talks like you're a millionaire. But let's not forget that this isn't
the Beatles or somebody nobody ever makes it that big in jazz. I can't retire for some
time yet," he clarifies. Considering his uniquely
appealing instrumental approach, one might think that Wes could have an armload of those
lucrative television commercial contracts that sometimes accrue to even the most anonymous
musicians, but such is not the case. There are several commercials now making the rounds
of video that utilize the dulcet octave guitar sound so pointedly reminiscent of The
Thumb, but only one is actually his - the rest are commendable copies from which the
inventor garners no royalties. "I don't mind," he said with a smile. "It
lets me know they're thinking about me, anyhow." Plumbing the murky depths from
which spring the sequoias of success, someone recently asked Wes how in the face of all
the electronic effects, oscillation, tremolo, feedback, etc. he managed to retain his
place in the market with such a comparatively "straight" approach. His answer,
he reported, had been that he observes all of these developments. "Nothing new,"
he emphasized, "gets by unnoticed. While some cats turned up their noses at Elvis
Presley and the Beatles, I tried to find out what was best about what they were doing and
incorporate it into my thing without duplicating their stuff. "We just finished a new
album, for instance, that is done with a Baroque influence on every track. We're doing
things like Fly Me to the Moon, Greensleeves, and My Favorite Things. There's a mixed bag
of instruments on the different tracks -a string quartet on some, woodwinds on others but
everything is done in the Baroque style." Today, if one walks into a club
to hear Wes Montgomery's quintet, one hears some of the most irresistibly swinging music
call it jazz, pop or even rock that exists anywhere. After two martinis or whatever his
poison the reader is hereby defied not to pat his foot to the proceedings. Part of the
reason for this circumstance is that the group is just one big rhythm section. Part of the
reason is also that this rhythm section is composed of uninhibited swingers who have
nothing against having fun while they work and it's contagious. In addition to Buddy, whose
pianistic abilities have already been cited and Monk, a double threat on either Fender or
upright bass there's conga drummer Alvin Bunn, who anchors the pace to the nitty-gritty at
all costs, and, last but not least, the irrepressible metronomics of drummer Billy Hart, a
musician who is obviously as gassed by the act of playing his axe as is his leader. When the unit kicks off into any
of the two dozen or so numbers with which most of the audience is familiar, and the chorus
of approbation goes up, "Yeah," be advised that one of jazz' greatest public
relations men is at work he is talking to both square ears and round. Facing a summer with George
Wein's traveling cornucopia of jazz a la Consequently, it is a self-assured
Wes Montgomery who says: "I found out a long time ago that you've got to appreciate
life first, before you can do anything else. At one time, when I was young, I was exposed
to a lot of things; whisky, dope, etc. I had seen a lot of it, heard a lot of guys say
that those things would help me project myself. But I knew it wasn't true. From a very
early age, I could see that the mind would function no better than when it was clear. A
lot of times, when my head was clear, and another cat's wasn't, I'd hear him talking and I
knew he thought he was making sense when he wasn't. "I'd like to pass on the
fact that you don't need the influence; you'll learn faster, produce more. A lot of cats
want company when they use narcotics" he added "because it's not pleasant to use
them solo-but let 'em". Clearly, though being top guitar
means taking a lot of trips, Wes Montgomery is not goin' out of his head. |